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Jaha, så ska man visst bli polisanmäld. Den här kommentaren har jag fått av "K" i anslutning till min text om Jan Hedh:
"Du säger att jag har en aggressiv ton. Det kan jag nog ha när jag blir förbannad. Men det är du som sprider djupt kränkande rykten om en person utan hans kännedom.
Vet din mamma om att du sprider hennes åsikt om att Jan Hedh [...] här har jag redigerat bort det stycke som var förargligt för att inte på nytt publicera det? Vet hon om att du har gjort hennes åsikt lätt tillgänglig för alla som förstår svenska och har tillgång till en dator - c:a 9 miljoner människor?
Ja, ditt ärekränkande uttalande kommer nu på andra plats om man på Google gör sökningen Jan Hedh luktar.
Det är miljö- och hälsoskyddsnämnden som ska bedöma hygienen i bagerier, inte du. Du kan göra en anmälan dit om du vill, men du har ingen som helst rätt att sprida skit om folk hur du vill på din blogg.
Oavsett vad du tycker, så motsvarar din blogg ett offentligt rum där du publicerar text med obegränsad upplaga, som dessutom kommer att bevaras för lång tid framöver. Att du inte förstår det tyder på en stor datornaivitet och okunskap om hur internet fungerar.
Du är ansvarig utgivare för det du skriver här på Blogger, du bryter mot Bloggers användaravtal eftersom det du skriver kan anses vara trakasserier. Mina vänner på det stora datorforskningsinstitutet anser att ditt beteende förmodligen är åtalbart.
Även om du tar bort din text nu, så kommer den att finnas kvar i åtminstone Googles cache lång tid framöver, så skadan är skedd. Jag vet inte om jag ska börja med att anmäla dig till Blogger, kontakta Jan Hedh, eller polisanmäla dig. Något måste tydligen göras för att få dig att förstå allvaret i ditt handlande."
Jag har tagit bort det anstötliga stycket, och jag gör offentlig avbön. Det var inte gott omdöme, och inte ens särskilt relevant för texten. Men jag tycker att "K" kunde identifiera sig själv och inte anonymt hota med polisanmälning och att allt möjligt ont ska drabba mig. Det är inte heller särskilt god ton.
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Menar du att den rättskaffens "K" som tydligen bär moralens fana högt inte ens vågat röja sin egen identitet? Civilkuraget hade sin begränsning tydligen.
Personligen tror jag att det är lagligt att tycka att någon luktar illa. Och förmodligen också att berätta för andra vad man tycker. Hur snällt det är kan man däremot diskutera. Men knappast olagligt. Har inget minne av att du ifrågasatte personens hygien i hans arbete.
En fråga till "K". Hur kom du på att googla på "Jan Hedh luktar"? Är nog världens första sökning på ämnet. Vem kom förresten etta på sökningen? Trevlig helg!
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Är det då Gittos mamma som begått ett lagbrott genom att tycka att någon luktar illa eller är det Gitto som inte får berätta vad någon annan tycker? Jaja, jag lägger ner min röst i den här diskussionen.
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Hej oskar och gitto.
Varför i all världen skulle jag skriva ut mitt fullständiga namn, personnummer, telefonnummer eller adress (Jag vet inte hur långt du vill att jag skulle gå)? oskar, du kallar dig oskar, och gitto uppger ett namn och bostadsort, men det säger ju inte ett jota om vilka ni egentligen är. På Blogger kan man uppge vad som helst, utan att det finns någon som helst möjlighet att kontrollera.
Om Gitto inte vill ha kommentarer från andra än sådana som har Blogger-konton, så kan hon styra det. Hon kan också välja att moderera sin blogg så att bara godkända kommentarer publiceras.
Det finns heller ingen anledning att publicera mer uppgifter om mig när jag vill uttala mig i denna sak. Dessutom har jag här att göra med en person som tycker det är ok att kasta skit på andra på internet, vilket gör att det kan finnas anledning att passa sig.
Detta har inte något som helst att göra med att vara rättskaffens, bära moralens fana, eller civilkurage. Att säga så är bara fjantiga sätt att försöka förlöjliga mig.
Jo, det är olagligt att på internet publicera kränkande omdömen om namngivna personer. Känner du inte till det så bör du inte publicera något på internet.
Jag gjorde den sökningen på Google för att kontrollera om sidan redan var indexerad hos dem. Jag kunde valt andra ord och fått samma resultat. "Jan Hedh Gitto" rankar till exempel sidan högst. Ordningen på orden spelar ingen roll. Pröva själv att söka med de orden, så får du se hur resultaten rankas
Jag önskar att fler förstod att en blogg inte är ett litet samtal med vänner i ens vardagsrum (eller kök), utan något som har betydligt större spridning, och att man därför måste fundera på om man verkligen vill publicera det man skriver. Vill du inte säga det i en megafon på stora torget, så bör du förmodligen inte publicera det på internet.
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bry dig om det där. ta inte åt dig!
vi har ju trots allt friheten att uttrycka precis vad vi vill var vi vill. och att säga att någon luktar illa, i en mycket i övrigt humoristisk blogg, är väl inte direkt det som är fel på internet. "K" kanske borde ta tag i och rätta till internets riktiga skurkar...
för övrigt måste jag bara säga att du fyller ju år på samma dag som en av mina hjältar! Florian Schneider! (alltså, en av grundarna av Kraftwerk...)
Ta inte åt dig Gitto, K borde kunna ha kurrage att även berätta sitt namn annars bör man kanske vara lite mindre karsk i tonen.
Helt sant är det ju att saker indexeras och att det knappt går att få bort när det väl är skrivet man bör därför fundera en extra gång över vad som ska publiceras.
Ta bort dina personuppgifter för jag tror inte att det är bra att de ligger här. Kolla om du kan få bort dem från indexering också genom att kontakta Google.
Ha en skön helg!
-> K: Lita på att jag den dag jag hotar med att polisanmäla någon blogginnehavare eller, som du nu gjort, kallat något för "ett stort svin" kommer att underteckna det hela med mitt fullständiga namn.
-> Pelle: Underbart med någon som gillar Kraftwerk! När fyller Ralf? :)
Gitto: Jag har blivit kallad allt möjligt både på Internet och i mejl som dumpit ner i min bevlåda. Jag har blivit kallad stinkande dvärg med bebisröst på en blogg vilket jag tyckte var så kul att jag länkade till det.
Den där lilla snutten om Hedh var lite onödig tycker jag. Din roliga text var bättre utan den. Jag borde absolut sagt det innan jag länkade till dig.
Men jag tvivlar på att ett åtal hållit i rätten. Eller att Jan Hedh hade brytt sig om det (Jag känner honom lite och gillar honom väldigt. Men det är många fler än Gitto som inte kan baka efter hans recept.)Det är inte något av de svåraste övertramp jag sett.
K: Jag förstår att du är upprörd men att anonymt antyda att någon ett stort svin är inte heller etikett. Ha lite överseende med en yster nybörjare och inse att du kommer längre med att vara trevlig. I synnerhet när man är anonym uppfattas man lätt som hotande.
Bloggvärlden är ung och outvecklad och det hnder ofta att skribenter tar i lite för mycket och inte tänker på hur många som läser.
Men det är upp til dig och mig som vet bättre att vara föredömen. Och vi sumpade chansen båda två.
K: Men snälla du! Lev åtminstone som du lär om du vill bli tagen på allvar!
Att om den mycket duktiga blogginnehavaren skriva "Dessutom har jag här att göra med en person som tycker det är ok att kasta skit på andra på internet /.../ det är olagligt att på internet publicera kränkande omdömen om namngivna personer. Känner du inte till det så bör du inte publicera något på internet" visar om något att det är du som inte förstått hur man bör publicera på internet.
Ska man klanka ner på att andra uttrycker sig förklenande om namngivna personer bör man kanske själv avhålla sig från detsamma?
Det Gitto skrev om JH var kanske inte helt genomtänkt, men åtminstone roligt, vilket ursäktat en hel del (eller för att dra in juridik i det hela - satir fälls i praktiken aldrig för förtal. Ens i de fall den sprider bra mycket grövre och lögnaktiga påståenden)
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